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Scothedge is not against trees and is not looking for “anti tree” legislation. Scothedge stands against those who use trees in an inappropriate and unreasonable way. People are the problem and the law must ensure that a small but significant group of selfish individuals cannot continue to behave in a way that the vast majority our society finds unacceptable. PRESS COMMENTARY 2002. A proposal for a Members' Bill - "the High Hedges Bill (Scotland)" - was lodged in the Scottish Parliament by Scott Barrie MSP on 21 May 2002 and on the same day, it acquired its 11th supporter which means that Scott Barrie now has the right to introduce a Bill to give effect to his proposal, this was to provide local authorities in Scotland with the powers to deal with complaints regarding high hedges. HOLYROOD 2007 Scott Barrie lost his West Dunfermline seat in May 2007 without lodging any Bill.WESTMINSTER LEGISLATED SEPTEMBER 2003. 2007 Scottish Government assigns Fergus Ewing to High Hedge Dispute legislation.2008 July 2008 Scottish Government consults Scothedge Team over legislation options. OPEN LETTER TO MSPsAT LAST YOUR MUCH APPRECIATED HISTORIC SUPPORT FOR HIGH HEDGE VICTIMS CAN BE EFFECTIVE. THE MATTER IS IN THE HANDS OF FERGUS EWING, MINISTER FOR COMMUNITY SAFETY, WHO HAS PROMISED TO OUTLINE WHAT CAN BE DONE BEFORE XMAS BUT HAS INDICATED THAT THIS PROMISE WILL NOT BE MET.PLEASE ENCOURAGE HIM TO HONOUR THIS UNDERTAKING. YOUR HIGH HEDGE/TREE VICTIM CONSTITUENTS CALL UPON YOU TO URGE ENDING THEIR YEARS OF DISTRESS, CAUSED BY THE UNACCOUNTABILITY WHICH ENABLES CARELESS, SELFISH, RETALIATORY AND VINDICTIVE HIGH HEDGE OWNERS TO IGNORE REQUESTS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THEY ARE INFLICTING UPON HELPLESS NEIGHBOURS. THESE DISPUTES ARISE BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECOURSE TO INDEPENDENT ARBITRATION TO HANDLE VESTED INTERESTS OR ULTERIOR MOTIVES AS WITH PLANNING APPLICATIONS. A NUMBER OF VERY NASTY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR IMMUNITY FROM CHALLENGE, TO DO WHAT THEY ENJOY DOING BEST - BEING NASTY -- AT GREAT EXPENSE TO THEIR POWERLESS VICTIMS.IT IS NOT REALITY TO EXPECT PERSONAL CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE CONTESTANTS TO BE FAIR MEANS FOR RESOLUTION AND IT DOES GREAT CREDIT TO THOSE MANY NEIGHBOURS WHO COLLABORATE IN A FRIENDLY MANNER. THIS OPTION IS SIMPLY NOT ON OFFER IN MOST DISPUTES. WE AT SCOTHEDGE HAVE APPRECIATED MEETING WITH FERGUS EWING'S POLICY ADVISERS IN ORDER TO SUGGEST BETTER LEGISLATION THAN THAT ENACTED IN ENGLAND IN 2003 AND AT SUBSTANTIALLY LESS COST. LEGISLATION CAN BE ON THE STATUTE BOOKS VERY SOON. WE HAVE DRAWN UPON EXPERIENCE OF OVER A DECADE OF HELPING VICTIMS THROUGHOUT SCOTLAND, ENGLAND AND WALES, AS PART OF THE NATIONAL HEDGELINE ORGANISATION. IT HAS TAKEN NINE YEARS TO ARRANGE SUCH AN IMPORTANT MEETING AND COST US NINE YEARS OF EFFORT, EXPENSE AND FRUSTRATION. JIM WALLACE, THEN JUSTICE MINISTER, STATED THAT LEGISLATION WAS PROBABLY NECESSARY IN JANUARY 2001 FOLLOWING A PUBLIC CONSULTANCY IN 2000. WE ARE RELYING UPON OUR MSPS TO PLAY THEIR PART IN GETTING RID OF THESE HIGH HEDFGE AND TREE DISPUTES BY ENDING THE ROLE OF THE PLANT OWNER AS JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER WITH THE ABILITY TO REFUSE RESOLUTION. MOST OF YOU KNOW OF THESE PROBLEMS AT FIRST HAND AND LIKE US WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FAIR SOLUTION. VERY MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE SUPPORTED US THOUGHOUT SCOTLAND AND SHARED OUR FRUSTRATIONS OVER TWO PARLIAMENTS. WHAT WE NEED - PLEASE CLICK UNACCOUNTABILITY FUELS DISPUTE OUR PATIENCE MAY WELL BE REWARDED THIS SESSION13/11/08In a meeting at Holyrood, Kenneth Gibson MSP for Cunninghame and Arran was thanked for his active support for constituents under hedge abuse and in one case an atrocious threat of violence well known to Scothedge. There is a feeling that legislation will come within an Executive Bill within this parliament and that it is the timeline of this bill which is driving the Fergus Ewing plans. The crutial information which has yet to be revealed is whether Fergus Ewing has recognised the utter unsuitability of mediation where a middle position is sought twixt totally diverse individuals. One perhaps with s csreer of reward through bullying and the victim perhaps elderly and deprived of fluent ability to challenge such as my own speech pathology) Mediation was very quickly eliminated during the Westminster Bill process. It would be a complete nonsense if it was even considered as being relevant in Scotland. Quite simply arbitration is called for to create a level playing field and an arms length assessment of the vested interests. We await clarification from the only man who can offer it. Minister, Fergus Ewing. DISGRACEFUL POSTPONEMENT INTO 2009 ANNOUNCED9/10/08It has not taken long for the "between the lines" realities to become fact. I recently suggested that we should trust Fergus Ewing but the latest news that no evaluation of the options paper will be announced until early 2009 shakes our confidence to the core.He may very well decide that he is not going to legislate. Just why we have to await the antisocial behaviour review remains a mystery which appears to betray a fundamental disregard of the cause of the resulting antisocial behaviour, being the immunity of the problem plant deployers from accountability. Following two Public Petitions and two Public Consultancies and apparent acceptance as early as 2001 of the need for legislation, it could have been expected that ministerial authority would have brought competent action long before now. "Sooner rather than later" was the commitment of a year ago. We appear to be back in the realms of mantra. Absolutely disgraceful. FERGUS EWING ASKS FOR FURTHER WORK ON OPTIONS PAPER9/10/09Apparently the Minister has seen the options paper prepared by his policy advisors and has requested further work. This may either mean that he is seeing value in this important document and wishes its content developed or that we are facing another postponement of our hugely overdue legislation. The Autumn parliamentary session is running its course and there should be no doubt in the Minister's mind that the frustration of hedge dispute victims calls for legislation to enable third party arbitration as a matter of great priority. Legislation was proposed in 2001 and anything short of an executive bill within this parliamentary session will be seen as a failure of the Holyrood project. It is a weakness that we get no information as to our legislator's understanding of our July presentation in order to ensure that our requirements have been understood. Certainly when a Bill is launched our participation should receive priority consideration but as of now we are simply hearing nothing other than courteous pleasantries. It is imperative that this matter is now concluded with the greatest expedition. PETITION COMMITTEE COMMITTED TO SUSTAIN SUPPORT THROUGH TO LEGISLATION24/8/09On Tuesday the Petitions Committee gave their continued support to the campaign to end the shocking legal loophole which enables growing plants to be deployed with vindictive or careless intent. MSPs expressed their intention to see this matter through to approptiate legislation and recognised the frustrations of historic inaction. They will await the statement from Fergus Ewing and review the situation early in the New Year after the Fergus Ewing Statement. The support from MSPs is very substantial as a crossparty view and the support is proffered regardless of the Ewing decision. It is anticipated that Fergus Ewing will provide the solution but this may very well call for a private member's Bill but this time fully supported by the Government. A JUSTIFIABLE SENSE OF BEING SERIOUSLY WRONGED4/8/08The complainant suffering damage to his home by a neighbour's inappropriate hedge or tree, finds that the perpetrator of his problems is judge, jury and executioner without any accountability other than to himself. This is wrong. This is the feature of the high hedge/tree dispute which enables outrageous response to a fair complaint, opening the door to vindictive deployments of horror plants against which the victim is denied just protection. This is a failing in Local Government. Arguing that such disputes are simply private contentions between householders and therefore not within the responsibility of Local Government denies the victims protection from selfish vested interests isolated from any concepts of right or wrong which is a fundamental purpose of Government. At the most basic level, without arbitration between divergent vested interests across the residential border, the law of the land is blatently deficient and requires new legislation as recognised by the Scottish Minister of Justice in January 2001 and by Westminster in their legislation of 2003. The inconsideration shown by the Scottish Parliament since then creates a justifiable sense of being seriously wronged. The SNP Government, to their credit, has undertaken to resolve this matter "sooner rather than later".They know our problems. They should now legislate to secure arbitration with considerable alacrity. SERIOUS PROGRESS24/7/08This week, the Scothedge team spent 90 minutes in St.Andrew's House meeting the policy advisers within Fergus Ewing's Community Safety Unit. In what we can gratefully describe as a highly inclusive and intelligent meeting, we introduced the Government to our experience, representing the most important people to be considered in this miserable situation, the Scottish victims. We explained that such abuse was enabled by the serious freedom from accountability of tree and hedge owners who carelessly or vindictively stole our fair rights to cohabitation of the residential land. We are not yet negotiating a Bill but are advising the Government about the true nature of the problem within their development of a legislative option paper. This sits within the stated intentions of the minister to seek a solution "sooner rather than later". It is a matter of gross injustice appropriate to ministerial action within the Community Safety Unit within the Justice Department. We acknowledge the minister's interest in this matter in which as an MSP he has personal experience.We urgently intend that this should be the start of the end game after the failure of the previous administration to implement the Scott Barrie proposals over a period of eight years which demonstrated the inadequacy of the backbencher option. WHY IS DECENCY ONLY HEDGE DEEP ?10/7/08With the Government now consulting with the Scothedge team, the required documents are being revised to secure the long awaited legislation so clearly essential to end the lack of accountability for indecent deployment of major plants to the detriment of equitable occupation of the residential lands. The shift from campaign to consultation has returned focus to the appaling behaviour of hedge and tree owners currently mistaking immunity from intervention from any authority towards their powerless victims, as their right to be inconsiderate and much worse.It was my original instinct simply to publish on this website many of the letters containing woeful tales of physical threats ranging from retailiation to complaint by adding further trees to sending round a thug to threaten breaking the arms and legs of a pensioner if he dared to continue his entitled abatement to the border of encroaching branches and roots.The more sophisticated refusal to even discuss the problems is none less outrageous as the plants grow and the problems, together with their costs escalate. The very real threat to victims of this anti-social behaviour makes it clear that the sensible path is to keep this awful evidence to the confidence of the committee room and put aside the tempation to use the detail of such behaviour to draw any additional atrocity from those whose lack of maturity allows them to treat their neighbours in this manner. MSPs are well aware of the nasty side of the hedge and tree contentions and thanks to our members, the documentary facts are compelling and incontrovertial. The St.Andrew's House meeting on 23rd July is not a campaigning event - the process towards legislation is underway - but it is part of the routine consultancy process which is an important part of Scotland's modern legislative process. In the remaining days before this meeting it seems appropriate to encourage victims of high hedge and tree problems who have no membership of Scothedge to E-Mail us to add their weight to the already substantial evidence of anti-social response to legitimate complaint about loss of enjoyment or value of a home through external hedges, trees or major plants which cause nuisance. We would be pleased to include any such information in our evidence to the Community Health Committee within whose remit the consultation falls. Just click on my E-Mail address on this website. If you have horror photographs then attach them and I will add them to the CD which we use when talking with the Government. Your case could make all the difference! RELIEF UNBOUNDED ! ----4/7/08The proposed meeting is now being scheduled for later this month. Taking into account the years of broken arrangements since 2000 this is a most pleasing turn of events. WHY ARE WE WAITING ? ----4/7/08With the Summer recess now in course the description "Early Summer" for our meeting with the Community Safety Unit has passed and we still have no advice as to this essential meeting despite queries. We understand that everything is in due process but failure on the part of the Unit to tell us what is going on is simply not acceptable.Many of us have waited over two decades for fair arbitration and some even now face uncivilised and antisocial bullying for refusing to lie down and die in our own time. My thanks to a long suffering Perth couple who sent me an extract from the A-Z Guide in Scottish Law. The existing Law which protects hedge and tree owners against trimming across a boundary is accompanied by responsibility for branches encroaching a neighbouring property to the extent that any branches entering your property which you cannot easily trim can be requested to be trimmed by the hedge/tree owner at his or her expense. If the request to trim is refused then the advice is to apply to the sheriff court for a court order requiring the owner to trim. Any branches trimmed belong to the hedge owner ands MUST be returned whether the request is made or not. Of course this is not always an easy path to follow and there is history to suggest that the courts are not always responsive. However it should be appreciated by errant hedge and tree cultivators that this is the law in Scotland and that they are liable. Whilst we await the viscous seep towards arbitrated compulsory remedial orders the offenders should realise that in the matter of root and branch encroachment they have liabilities but it is important that affected neighbours make them aware of the problem if they are to be held liable. Correspondence should be created and retained. One wonders whether dumping excessive leaves and pine needles back from whence they came is not actually our neighbourly duty! A-Z is edited by non other than Prof. Robert Black, Scotlands senior Law academic. Meanwhile I continue to press the Community Safety Unit for their "Early Summer" meeting and its agenda. SLIPPAGE IS POOR MANAGEMENT ----14/6/08
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THE TIME HAS COME ---1/05/07As May 3rd presents Holyrood with something akin to a tsunami, it is impossible to find any reason why this should not be so. We have had to sustain Scothedge pressure in the face of support from our MSPs - in some ways it would have been much easier against opposition ! This Parliament has arguably attempted to tire us out by offering legislation and shoving it into a siding on every occasion. In reality we were entangled in a vicious political no-man's land which voters this week are very likely to sort out. But we emerge, hopefully, into the light of a feel good factor through the electorate making their democratic choice. This does not guarantee instant High Hedges legislation but the starting position with the "Consultancy" (2) out of the way and renewed support by the Petitions Committee in place. Also with the Conservative and SNP Planning Bill probing amendments, MSPs have recognised the "road block" tactics and actually started to do something about it. What has taken place since 2000 and the first hedges consultancy has been a frightening indication that enfuriating mantra of support whilst letting Scott Barrie "bear the stripes on his back" has been Executive policy. These painful stripes (September 14th. 2nd stage Planning Bill meeting) are nothing to the stripes suffered by Scottish Hedge victims and those trying to help them absorbing the remaining years of their lives. The cruelty of the vindictive Leylandii deployer has been replicated politically. The discredited Blair even came out in favour of the Westminster High Hedges Bill. Our Executive simply did not respond to requests to meet the Communities MInister. "We back Barrie - the timeline is his" was as far as they would go. As soon as the dust settles after the election I would ask everyone caught up in the unfair immunity of problem hedge and tree owners from third party judgement to yet again write to their MSPs and insist that with the High Hedges consultancy now done and dusted that immediate moves are made to launch an Executive Bill or for your MSP personally to launch a member's Bill. Post Thursday the political scene will have changed very substantially. It may be better or worse but it will be different. We move forward into this new world with great excitement. Finally from the Solway Firth: Area planning manager David Suttie said (Daily Express Friday 27th April), having blocked a massive garden fence - "the applicant can grow leylandii instead and that can grow far higher as there is no control in Scotland for high hedges and Leylandii".
The 6ft garden wall proposal was described as downright vindictive.
The blocking of the Barrie Bill for seven years has wasted enough time for a 7 metre hedge to grow legally. This unbelievably selfish refusal of garden owners to see beyond their hedge and worse still fight to sustain it must be ended before more lives are ruined in such legally incited disputes. THE FINAL ACT IN A MISERABLE PARLIAMENT3/4/07As a Scottish pensioner fighting for fair relief for a largely elderly group being bullied by misuse of boundary trees and hedges, it has been a truly miserable experience dealing with the now historic Scottish Executive. Having gained a consultancy in 2000 quickly followed by a statement from Jim Wallace, the then Justice Minister that legislation was the likely solution and Westminster legislation to introduce arbitration in 2003, the political road block which has frustrated MSPs and imposed a sustained effort upon elderly victims required to protect their homes from becoming a clearing in an invasive and destructive forest, has been obscene, demeaning and disgraceful. THANKFULLY THE PETITIONS COMMITTEE DEALING WITH OUR SECOND PETITION PE984 HAS AGREED TO KEEP THE PETITION OPEN INTO THE NEW PARLIAMENT -CONSERVATIVE MSP JOHN SCOTT COMMENTED " I SHARE THE PETITIONER'S SENSE OF FRUSTRATION, AND WE MUST ENSURE THAT A BILL IS INTRODUCED. IF KEEPING THE PETITION LIVE FACILITATES THAT BY KEEPING THE PRESSURE ON SCOTT BARRIE - OR WHOEVER - THEN SO BE IT." JOHN FARQUHAR MONRO COMMENTED "IF WE WERE TO CLOSE THE PETITION NOW, THE MATTER MIGHT SIMPLY FALL". So we now have accumulated two consultations and two petitions PE497 and PE984 plus MSP backing for a Bill that never was in 2004. The consultancy was forced by Conservative and SNP amendments to the Planning Bill. In December 2006 55 MSPs supported us, 56 opposed us blindly disciplined by the whip. The story has been one of shere duplicity with everyone believing that the Scott Barrie High Hedges Bill was set to reach the statute books. The Executive mantra was " the time line is Barrie's."
Personally I find this hard to believe. The support by the Executive was credibly feigned. We have lost seven years in the campaign and a had consultancy initiated under very questionnable circumstances. We sat in Scott Barrie's office in early 2005 and agreed a consultancy date in May 2005. We supported this agreed launch in a joint radio broadcast with Scott Barrie. The Petitions Committee, after discussion with Scott Barrie were satisfied that their support was no longer required and within days the launch was cancelled and we had to turn back campaigners from all over the country. We were not informed of this cancellation but found it out when we struggled to confirm the details for the launch day. Such was the disregard for our victims and MSPs trying to gain a solution, by the Executive that not even an apology was forthcoming. Certainly is appeared that the responsible politicians were offering the same lack ofconcern as the badly behaved hedge owners refusing consideration to their neighbours and in some cases undertaking vindictive response. In seven years a Leyland Cypress hedge may have added 9 metres to its height. An overgrown Scots Pine may have dumped tons of pine needles to smother a neighbours lawn and block his gutters and drains. The elderly lady living out her final years in a dark sitting room, her husband having died before relief could be offered should bring shame to the forces which blocked the Scott Barrie Bill. "THE SUBJECT OF THE PETITION HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME, PARTICULARY IN MY CONSTITUENCY; INDEED FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, I HAVE BEEN WRITING TO PEOPLE, TELLING THEM THAT SCOTT BARRIE IS ABOUT TO INTRODUCE A BILL ON THE ISSUE. (John Scott MSP). Our politicians are maybe just waking up to the face that they are not living in a protective "Holyrood Village". There may have been a mystique about the distant Westminster Village but Holyrood is directly responsible to the Scottish People and heaven help us if we do not establish this in the May elections!. HIGH HEDGE CONSULTATION ENDED23/2/07Well that is it - the Barrie High Hedge Consultancy is over. It just remains to be seen whether Dunfermline West will change hands in the May election in order to decide who will take us forward to legislation in the New Parliament.We had a consultancy in 2000. We have had another consultancy in 2007.Is this joined up Government ? It is salutory to realise that seven years of support for the Scott Barrie Bill has achieved absolutely nothing.We have had a proposed Bill going nowhere. Well that is not actually true. This consultancy was forced by ourselves and MSPs. Fearing that the Planning Bill amendments might be approved. Scott Barrie had to announce his consultancy to give the Labour Whip against the Conservative and SNP amendments some security. The 56/55 result was the clearest possible meassage that time was running out for credibility in the stalled High Heges Bill. PE984 will be reviewed again by the Petitions Committee in March which will keep the topic alive and continue the drive for many improvements over the 2003 Westminster Bill. In May we hope to find freedom from the obvious political sabotage which we have experienced and if the new (hopefully)Executive will not clear up the mess with an immediate Executive Bill then there are any number of MSPs who would like to see this disgraceful episode brought to an end. THE MAY ELECTIONS ARE CAUSING CLOSE TO PANIC IN THE RULING RANKS. IT WILL BE HARD FOR US TO TRUST ANY POLITICIAN AGAIN BUT THERE ARE SOME GOOD GUYS OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST SERIOUS ELECTION SINCE DEVOLUTION AND THE ELECTORATE WILL DO ITS JOB. SCOTHEDGE HOLYROOD DEMONSTRATION1/2/07Thanks are due to the members who travelled to Edinburgh for the Holyrood demonstration. It was a great pleasure to meet the committed and supportive crew who put in some excellent work in chatting to the MSPs who came to visit us on the day.RESPONDING TO THE CONSULTANCY3/12/06The implications of our response are huge bearing in mind that the published document affords no intellectual advancement over the seriously inept Westminster Bill which expects the complainant over to be the only party subject to an uncapped fee for arbitration regardless of winning the arbitration. If hedges might be killed by trimming they cannot be trimmed despite being the agreed cause of a problem following arbitration. Deciduous trees are not included in the inappropriate definition of a hedge which makes the application for arbitration unsafe. The whole attempt to define a hedge in order to claim a problem is fundamentally flawed and brings anomalies which are destructive of the intentions of the English legislation. We need a "HIGH HEDGES Etc.(Scotland)Bill" which deals with the problems caused by the deployment or mismanagement of any substantial plants over 2 metres in height which a reasonable third party would agree existed to the unfair detriment of a neighbouring property.
Accordingly we should not box ourselves in at this stage to anything as inept as the Westminster Bill which appears to be the starting point for our legislators. The eventual legislation will be debated by a lead committee, possibly the Communities Committee which after May 2007 may comprise MSPs other than those who have at last started to consider our problems. This consultancy will become the key document through which we can establish the requirements of the forthcoming legislation. The consultancy questions are laid out in Annexe 1:-
< THINK ABOUT IT !22/11/06The Scottish Parliament High Hedges consultancy is the means by which our Parliament ensures that legislation is fit for purpose by seeking the views of what they call "Stakeholders" - us. When we respond to the "Consultancy" there is no obligation to consider the suggested possible solutions as being in any way to limit our requirements. Indeed it is imperative that we say exactly what we would wish the legislation to achieve. Otherwise the "Consultancy" is meaningless. The last thing we need is a carbon copy of the 2003 Westminster High Hedges Bill which falls into the trap of assuming that the hedge owner actually may have rights to justify inconsideration or vindictiveness. For instance if a hedge is so big that trimming it back to remove the problem caused to a neighbour might kill it - then a remedial order may be refused. The only party to be charged an uncapped arbitration fee is the complainant. The reliance upon a narrow hedge description denies justice to those facing problems from a single ewe tree which might be indistinguisable from a hedge in its effect upon a neighbour. Deciduous hedges are exempt and so on. The insane concept that any problem must be due to a "row of two or more evergreen or semi-evergreen trees is riddled with anomalies which ruin confidence in the legislation to the extent that it is about as risky as the courts in preventing those who cannot affort to take the risk from gaining benefit. Local Authorities can charge what they like for the service and so price it out of the complainant's reach. A very few Local Authorities provide the service free of charge in recognition of this inequity So it is important that we make full use of the opportunity of the "Consultation" to seek legislation which removes our problems reliably and which is worthy of the extraordinary path we have had to endure to get to the starting gun in the third Parliament since the Scottish Executive backed the Scott Barrie undertaking to propose a Bill. WE HAVE 14 WEEKS TO MAKE OUR CASE17/11/06With the Barrie High Hedge Consultancy appearing some 24Hrs before the Planning Bill Stage 3 exposure of MSP and our own frustrations and yes, anger at the apparent blocking of progress, the conclusion might very well be that there is some cynical political game being played. According to the Parliament rules for Private Member's Bills the complete process must be completed by September in a fourth year term and for Barrie to launch at this late stage, unless I am mistaken, can only achieve a Consultancy return and the Bill proposal will fall with a new proposal required in the New Parliament. Since the Consultancy was believed to be ready for kick off May 2005 it is left to those seeking this legislation to ponder upon the intentions of this last minute consultancy re-appearance. There is every reason to believe that it would not have happened had Mary Scanlon MSP not started the Planning Bill probing amendment policy and Dave Petrie MSP, sustained the option of exposing the situation through to Stage 3 of the Planning Bill. We owe a very substantial debt of gratitude to these Conservative MSPs who have intervened upon our behalf. WITH THE CLOCK NOW RUNNING TOWARDS 22nd FEBRUARY - THE CLOSING DATE FOR THE CONSULTANCY - IT IS NOW ESSENTIAL THAT EVERYONE INTERESTED IN HIGH HEDGE AND TREE THEFT OF RESIDENTIAL AMENITY MAKE USE OF THE CONSULTANCY TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TO OUR LEGISLATORS WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM. The SCOTHEDGE committee will be meeting shortly to establish an effective response to the questions in the Consultancy and we have been assured that we will participate in the post 22nd February assessment. We will be examining means for aiding the widest possible distribution of the Consultancy which will be key to our ability to influence the final Bill. This is our official path to avoiding the considerable failings of the Westminster High Hedges Bill, rushed into existence in the 2003 Anti-Social Behaviour Act. It is our chance to make our case for fair and effective legislation to establish the responsibility of hedge and tree owners to respond with consideration to complaints from neighbours and to understand that residential property boundaries are mutual concerns and not to be planted without giving thought to the impact upon neighbours.Most neighbours understand this but some do not and even become abusive when their mis-management of a tree or hedge raises a complaint. Retaliatory response has even been augmented planting to further harm the complainant and even physical abuse occurs. We have had pensioners pushed off their ladders when attempting legal abatement and the police have had to respond to threatening behaviour by challenged hedge and tree owners. In England there have been deaths.This vicious selfishness is currently enabled through there being no third party arbitration with teeth to end such abysmal behaviour. The Scottish Parliament claims to make good legislation by Consultancy and Committee derivation of legislation.We have to claim our influence to get a much better Bill than that cobbled together to get around Westminster "wrecking". THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT IS OUR PARLIAMENT AND IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE STRONG REPRESENTATION. LATE THROW OF THE DICE HITS STAGE 3 AMENDMENTS15/11/06Well at least the call for Planning Bill amendments has forced the 'apparent' re-appearance of the Barrie Consultancy Stage-just in time to ward off the amendments raised in frustration by MSPs. Quite what has held this up for years is not immediately obvious from its text now circulating Holyrood and beyond. The model appears to be the Westminster Bill with some hope that the complainant will not be the target for any fees. But the process appears to be starting and it is now up to the responders to powerfully request a Bill which will actually solve the problem by making boundary plant owners accountable for any damaging impact upon their neighbours. The Scottish Parliament provides Consultancy and Committee access ostensibly to ensure that good legislation ensues. Owing to the delay of the Consultancy until the final moment before the stage 3 amendment it will not end until February 22nd and the required assessment will carry us through to March 22nd. This leaves a month until the May Elections and so the likelyhood of legislation this Parliament appears highly unlikely. But the Consultancy stage "if it actually comes about - remember it has been scheduled before - is the formal opportunity for the victims of boundary hedge and tree abuse to fight for sensible and appropriate legislation better that the pitiful Westminster Bill. THE RESPONSE OF OUR PARLIAMENT IS NOW MEANT TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF 'WE THE PEOPLE'. IT IS UP TO US TO BRING AN END TO THE LEGALISED THEFT OF AMENITY BY THE ANTI-SOCIAL FEW WHO REFUSE TO MANAGE TREES AND HEDGES RESPONSIBLY. It has taken an incredible 6 years and two Parliaments to reach this stage but now the opportunity may just have come to actually talk with the legislative process. Better late than never is only acceptable if the legislation is also better ! Consultancy Document LinkLETS GO WITH PETRIE10/11/06There is a corollary to the "if it aint broke dont fix it" utterance which is "if it dont work dump it". Few High Hedge victims would now regard the support of the Barrie initiative(?) as having brought anything at all. Trying to negotiate progress has been a time wasting and unprofessional experience. Even after the forced September 13th. debate through the Dave Petrie and John Home Robertson amendments, no new energy has moved the process on and we remain in the situation where slippage continues to confirm that the Barrie process is if not broke, running on empty. Meanwhile with Dave Petrie we are "getting what it says on the can" and although the latest amendment to the 3rd stage falls short of what is required, it still represents a better than Westminster deal if the proposed post legislation consultancy is available to us for explaining the sense of our Scothedge requirements. Significantly in the Petrie negotiations we are talking to people who behave professionally and participate in a business like process. We are working with a team committed to legislation to solve many of our problems. Our work will be cut out during the proposed Executive Consultancy process. So let us back Dave with our support for his Stage 3 amendment which has addressed the problems raised during the stage 2 debate. Yet the progress still carries the curse of history. We are told that labour will whip against the amendment and maintain that Barrie should be our route to legislation. "2000-2001-2002-2003-2004-2005-2006-200?" and still bogged down - where is the sense in that ?
CONSULTANCY DOCUMENTS FAIL TO APPEAR - YET AGAIN31/10/06If my bank, insurance company or lawyer behaves incompetently I can and do take the reasonable step of sacking them. What are we to make of MSPs who underperform at our expense ? The High Hedges Bill was lodged in 2003 with strong MSP support but a year later it had not been introduced and therefore fell. It took another year to prepare Consultancy preparatory documents. A date was agreed for the consultancy but it was abandoned within days of the chosen date. Since then every estimate for a new date has slipped without the slightest apparent concern for Scottish Constituents despite protestation by the Deputy Communities Minister that she took our plight seriously and the Executive continuing to back Barrie and advise us that his consultancy will start soon. Our latest dealings with the member for Dunfermline West offered sight of the latest Consultancy documents in the post 23rd. October. THE DOCUMENTS HAVE FAILED TO BE DELIVERED. YET AGAIN SLIPPAGE DESTROYS ANY CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS. To take responsibility for this legislation and fail to come up with anything in six years and yet retain confidence of anyone including the Scottish Executive must be some sort of record. One can qualify to become a doctor in this time or complete a Ph.D. But the worst aspect of all of this is the apparent "so what" attitude of the Executive who carried out their own Consultancy in 2000 and announced in 2001 that legislation was appropriate. The English legislated in 2003. The Parliament is quick enough to use our money to feed its own. It looks as though cookies will crumble in May 2007 and we may then get free of this catch 22 position where progress in this matter appears to be cynically stalled. We must be mugs to even give Barrie a second thought but that is the catch 22 reality. The Executive back Barrie and will whip against Dave Petrie's Planning Bill amendment. Who is the labour chief whip ? Unfortunately you cannot ring and win £1,000. OF COURSE THE CONSULTANCY DOCUMENTS MUST BY NOW BE IN THE POST - LIKE THE PROVERBIAL CHEQUE. WE ARE PROMISED CONSULTANCY DRAFT THIS WEEK !23/10/06It is now over a month since the Consultancy Launch was expected "soon" by the Deputy Communities Minister. Having originally slated 20th.May 2005 for the launch, what can possibly have taken 17 months to put right ? How many years does it take to organise a Consultancy Stage ? We are now promised the Consultancy Documents this week and our High Hedges Etc. Bill proposal has been sympathetically received by Scott Barrie. Barrie admits that legislation before May 2007 is now unlikely but that the Consultancy Stage results are permanent and available for any Bill in the New Parliament. It is entirely reasonable given the atrocious history of slippage, to ask "which Parliament and whose Bill ?" Had the Consultancy been launched even a month ago this Parliament could have legislated. What has changed to enable progress now to suddenly appear ? Are we yet again being taken for a ride ? We have asked for a ministerial meeting to explain the repeated failure of promises, despite huge cross party support, three year old English legislation and repeated evaporation of progress. BARRIE MUST LAUNCH BEFORE 20TH OCTOBER7/10/06It is nearly three weeks since Deputy Communities Minister Lamont expected Barrie to launch his Public Consultancy "soon". We have been here for far too long - and the launch never comes. LET BARRIE PROVE THAT HE IS NOT OBSTRUCTING THE INTERESTS OF HIGH HEDGE AND TREE VICTIMS AND FRUSTRATED MSPS BY LAUNCHING HIS CONSULTANCY BY 20TH. OCTOBER 2006 AT THE LATEST. After six years of failing to respond to the unfair and miserable plight of Scottish residents suffering at the hands of indecent and even vindictive depolyment of boundary hedges and trees the whole Parliamentary process is in danger of falling into disrepute. The Deputy Communities Minister was asked on 14th. September to "bang heads together". She should start with the "invisible member for Dunfermline West". Soon means within days. THE RUNES COULD BE IN OUR FAVOUR23/09/06The purpose of the Planning Bill amendments were to get a response from the Executive and to enable Community Committee MSPs to indulge in a short debate. The MSPs who spoke all favoured legislation. The Deputy Minister considered that the matter deserved urgent attention but through the Barrie Bill proposal. Barrie reaffirmed his intentions to push ahead. Subsequent conversation with Barrie reveals that he does have early plans to launch his consultancy and when complainants are responded to by the Executive, in addition to the tired old mantra, they are urged to apply to Scott Barrie for the Consultancy Document(When it is published). Given the history of the last six years scepticism would be wise. Neverthless the responses during the September 13th. meeting by Deputy Minister Lamont were seen as being a step forward. What we need to do now is assume that the runes are in our favour and encourage the Parliament's own belief that the commitments have been made and to get on with the job. What is for sure is that the legislation is coming. The sooner the better was the clamour from the Communities Committee. I COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER.18/09/06John Home Robertson MSP suggested to Deputy Minister Lamont that the urgently required legislation was not really in the capability of a back bencher and that heads need banging together. There is very little airspace between this and saying the Barrie Bill is a dead duck and the Executive better do something about it. The response that 'we look forward to Barrie's Consultancy' is hard to give any credance to. We are in this end of term mess because we have been waiting for Barrie, once named the invisible MSP for Dunfermline West, to morph into something visible ! In two Parliaments this has not happened so why expect it now ? ANOTHER WAY OF PUTTING IT WOULD BE - DUMP BARRIE AND USE THE EXECUTIVE PLANNING ETC (SCOTLAND)BILL OR PROVE THAT THE EXECUTIVE DO NOT CARE A TOSS FOR THOSE SUFFERING FROM CARELESS OR VINDICTIVE BOUNDARY HIGH HEDGE AND TREE WIELDERS. YOU DO FEEL THAT LITTLE BIT LET DOWN BY THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE !!13/09/06The Communites Committee debate this morning turned out pretty well exactly as we feared. Dave Petrie's amendment and that of J.H.R. was turned down in the hope that Scott Barrie might give a little shudder and a puff of steam rise from his boiler. It was a strange event. Everyone thought that legislation was long overdue and Barrie explained that it was the huge complexity of the matter which had driven him to fail to launch anything in SIX years. John Home Robertson thought every hedge over 2.5 metres and within 5 metres of a curtilage should be accounted for within the planning records. Well that is really something for COSLA to get their teeth into. Dave Petrie's amendment was described as being too wide and draconian by including trees and shrubs.He was accused of enabling Local Authorites to rush in a chop down every sweet pea in the land. MSPs tittered at hedge puns. Good fun stuff which destroyed the real underlying injustice of a neighbour vindictively deploying a plant to get at you. What can be more simple ? Hand a wad of guidelines detailing problems caused to the unfortunate residents by neighbouring herbage without all the anomalies of defining a hedge. Let the parties know that if the guidelines are not followed arbitration will follow and the guilty part charged the costs for arbitration and remedy. In England in one county 39 ot of 40 perpetrators capitulated when they viewed arbitration in realisation that they would be held to account. Yes Barrie is right when he says you will never satisfy everone but by guidelining the problems rather than the plants very many more problems will be solved at less effort for our servants in COSLA. The Executive have taken their eye of this ball and showed some irritation when Dave Petrie suggested this. How they can even countenence the excuse that the legislation has been too complex for them makes the mind boggle and the hand long for the ballot box. "What was I to do ? Every bottle in the house was stock full of nothing at all" about describes the parlous state of our legislative body. Good God, people are dying in stress and misery under the heel of the very small number of high hedge, tree and shrub owners who are simply indecent neighbours who take a delight in the damage they are doing to other peoples' lives. I know many of them are Scothedge members HIGH HEDGE LEGISLATION TO BE RAISED IN TOMORROWS COMMUNITY COMMITTEE MEETING12/09/06The first test of the Planning Bill High Hedge amendments will arise at Wednesday's Community Committee meeting. Dave Petrie will insist that high hedge complainants have already waited far too long for protection against irresponsible hedge and tree deployment close to residential boundaries and that the Planning Bill is the right place to complete legislation by Xmas. The historic fear of COSLA is based upon a false perception of Local Councils having to act as hedge police. They will simply have to distribute guidelines which describe what problems must be avoided by high hedge and tree owners. Should the guidelines be ignored, then arbitration will result in the problem plant owner receiving a remedial order or the complainant being told that his complaint is not upheld. In nearly every case the perpetrator of the problem capitulates in the face of arbitration which will confirm the problem. Should the amendment be rejected then it may be re-submitted at the 3rd. stage of the planning Bill SHOULD THE EXECUTIVE OPPOSE THE DAVE PETRIE AMENDMENT THEN THEY WILL LAY THEMSELVES OPEN TO THE CHARGE THAT THEY HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THOSE UNDER HIGH HEDGE AND TREE ABUSE Dave's mailbox has been inundated by complainants urging success. DO YOU EVER FEEL THAT LITTLE BIT LET DOWN BY THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE ?11/09/06At least one Labour MSP tells us that the Scottish Executive does not wish Planning Bill amendments and will be whipping accordingly. The Executive would prefer a free standing Bill. But after six years where is it ? They purported to back a Bill imagined by the Chief Labour Whip and have utterly failed to ensure passage for this Bill. In an extraordinary phase earlier this year Barrie was thinking of going for a Planning Bill amendment instead of his own Bill ! What on earth has been going on ? It is not surprising that frustrated MSPs are forcing the Executive to come clean as the May 2007 elections approach and the substantial cross party support for legislation appears to have been sabotaged to rob high hedge and tree victims of protection. The Executive want a special Bill. Let them tell us how we are going to get this before May 2007 if they are whipping against the amendment. This is not rocket science. All we need is a simple enabling Bill to require and empower Local Government to arbitrate when problems are not dealt with by the perpetrators. A plentiful supply of "guidelines" to identify unacceptable problems and to confirm that arbitration will face those who fail to abide by the guidelines. In England the vast majority of problems are corrected without going to arbitration simply because the perpetrators realise that they can be held to account. In South Tyneside 39 out of 40 cases did not proceed to arbitration and remedial action cost the LAs nothing. Indeed with the termination of complaints which had to be given the explanation that nothing could be done man-hour savings probably pay for the service. English cost estimates were out by possibly a factor of 50 and our demographic 1/11 population deficit makes our costs for implementation miniscule. So what has been the cause of the Barrie fiasco ? MSPs facing re-election in May 2007 in almost every Scottish Constituency will not be very happy that in two Parliaments they have not achieved appropriate legislation. There is still time - just. WRITE OR E-MAIL DAVE PETRIE MSP TO TELL HIM WHY YOU NEED HIGH HEDGE AND TREE LEGISLATION. E-Mail dave.petrie.msp@scottish.parliament.ukNOW MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD !20/08/06With Dave Petrie MSP and John Home Robertson MSP interceding on our behalf through probing amendments to the Planning Etc(Scotland)Bill, it is urgent that all those facing unfair theft of their home and garden amenity by indecent deployment or miss-management of neighbour's hedges, trees and shrubs should make their plight known to the Deputy Communities Minister and the Convenor or Deputy Convenor of the Communities Committee in time for the expected 14th. September committee meeting. Circumvention of the Barrie Bill road block was first attempted by Mary Scanlon in support of a Planning Bill amendment with Scott Barrie in tow. With her untimely departure in the Moray bye-election and Barrie's failure to continue, we approached Dave Petrie, her successor as Highlands and Islands MSP who agreed to lodge a new amendment substantiall in agreement with Scothedge guidelines. These amendments appear not to be supported by the Scottish Executive who seek a free standing Bill but have failed to provide one.The amendments do however show that MSPs are seriously unhappy having to refer their constituents into the Barrie black hole. The Planning Bill is a passing bus of last resort before the May 2007 elections. It is managed by the Communities Committee. Those let down by the debacle of the last six years should write or E-mail the Communities Committee Convener Karen Whitefield MSP to explain that it is essential that problem hedge and tree owners understand that it is their responsibility not to destroy their neighbour's fair share of the residential land and that it is completely wrong that they should be immune from penalty to the extent that they can simply ignore the havock they are creating, perhaps respond abusively to complaints or even compound their anti-social behaviour by vindictively deploying trees and hedges. When negotiation is refused by the hedge owner - contention, misery and ever worstening hardship is imposed as the plants grow with remedy refused by their owner. Write or E-Mail also the Deputy Communities Minister, Johann Lamont to describe to her the extent to which we feel let down by the Scottish Parliament in forgetting the commitment of Justice Minister, Jim Wallace in 2001 and by not ensuring our protection with the same vigour as the Westminster Executive who legislated in 2003. THE DISGRACEFUL STALLING OF THE BARRIE BILL CAN BE SEEN AS A FAILURE OF THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE TO PROTECT SCOTTISH RESIDENTS ABANDONNED TO AN UNFAIR,SELFISH AND INDECENT ABUSE LONG AFTER RELIEF IN ENGLAND AND WALES THROUGH LEGISLATION BY THE WESTMINSTER EXECUTIVE IN THE 2003 ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR BILL. | |
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| WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT13/08/06With the latest attempt by two MSPs to seek amendment of the Planning Bill to overcome the debacle of the Barrie High Hedges(Scotland)Bill, MSPs are perhaps waking up to the fact that something has gone very seriously wrong following the 2000 Public Consultancy and the 2001 Ministerial Statement that legislation was appropriate. In six years nothing substantive has been achieved. Frustrated campaigners will now be satisfied by nothing less than a fully comprehensive legislation appropriate within the responsibilities our own Parliament to protect us and devoid of the extraordinary weaknesses of the 2003 Westminster Legislation. We will not accept that victims alone should pay for justice or that uncapped arbitration fees should be used to inhibit reasonable complaint. Nor will we accept that if remedial trimming will kill a hedge that remediation will be refused regardless of the interests of the complainant. The legislation must remove the unacceptable impact by of inappropriate or improperly managed neighbouring herbage be it evergreen or deciduous, hedge or damaging trees. The freedom to allow plants to invade or devalue a neighbour's home should be removed by statutory last restort arbitration preceded by "code of practice" guidelines to advise plant owners what to avoid in order to avoid theft of amenity from neighbours' homes and gardens. The Planning Bill amendments should put the sought after legislation back on track, but should not compromise the proper consultancy processes and the drafting of good legislation which will fully protect residents against the costly and harmful destruction of their fair enjoyment of their homes. The Scottish victims of high hedge and tree abuse will remember the 2000-2006 failure to legislate with considerable incredulity and expect the outcome of the Planning Bill amendments to be a fast and effective commitment to create the sorely needed legislation in the dying days of this Parliament. ONWARDS AND UPWARDS ?6/08/06By and large our MSPs have responded sympathetically to the repeated pleas from the Scottish Hedge abused but have felt unable to do other than back the Barrie High Hedges(Scotland) Bill - into oblivion. That is until recently. First Mary Scanlon encouraged Scott Barrie by supporting a joint amendment to the Planning Etc.(Scotland)Bill to be followed by Dave Petrie and John Home Robertson when the Barrie/Scanlon initiative hit the rocks following the Moray bye-election in which Mary Scanlon lost her seat. It may be that now the Barrie bubble has burst, a route is now open for MSPs to do something on our behalf and that the Scottish Executive will realise that their arms length support of Barrie has led them into the same mess that we their constituents find ourselves mired. In the eyes of those seeking fair release from the inconsideration of a minority of hedge and tree owners the Executive has let us down badly by not acting upon their conclusion in 2001 that legislation was required by raising an Executive Bill and by supporting the Barrie Bill without ensuring its progress. To get nowhere in six years is a truly awful achievement under the excuse that the timeline was Barrie's. It is now time for the Scottish Executive to commit themselves either to use the Executive Planning Bill to honour their 2001 Jim Wallace commitment or to launch an immediate Executive Bill to be passed by May 2007. Failing this we need all parties to place in their 2007 manifestos a promise to introduce proper legislation to prevent homes and lives being damaged by the indecent or careless deployment and management of substantial residential boundary plants. To this end all those suffering from this unfair and miserable abuse should now turn their complaint to the Scottish Executive, despairing at their failure to legislate in over six years and nearly three years since Westminster legislated. In a matter such as this devolution should have given us more say in the quality of our lives rather than none whatsoever over more than half a decade. Why did Scott Barrie fail ? The conclusion must be that the support given by the Scottish Executive was at best ineffectual. Has this to be the epitaph of the Executive over these two Parliaments ?. THE SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE RESPONSE31/07/06Tom Martin, writing in the Sunday Express, ended his July 30th. article confirming that the Scottish Executive was unlikely to support a High Hedge amendment to the Planning Etc.(Scotland)Bill. "A consultation we carried out in 2000 identified that the issue would be dealt with not by amending the Planning Laws but through separate legislation." was attributed to a Scottish Executive spokeswoman. The question is "where is the separate legislation ?". Scothedge fought for the original 2000 consultancy and 2001 statement. Apparently Phil Gallie MSP wished to support us in 2000 but was told that Scott Barrie had things in hand. In November 2003 Barrie's Bill qualified for lodging through wide MSP support. In Novenmber 2004 the Barrie proposal was still insufficiently advanced and fell. 20th. May 05 invitations to Scothedge Members to support and agreed Consultancy Stage Launch had to be withdrawn when final enquiries revealed the shocking truth. It had been shelved. Not only has no legislation been achieved but owing to failure of the Barrie Bill to progress, there have been no debates over the appropriate legislative measures. Is this is how the Parliament responds to constituents in dire trouble ? WHY LEGISLATION IS URGENT28/07/06Scottish residents have no protection against a neighbour who deploys or fails to manage hedges and trees which destroy fair enjoyment of their homes. Inconsiderate hedge or tree owners have no incentive to negotiate with affected neighbours since there are no statutory constraints on the height of a hedge or tree. Hedges and trees, because of this statutory imunity, can and are occasionally even deployed with vindictive intent. Victims of such abuse are forced to complain with the only option available to attempt to face down the hedge or tree owner by personal confrontation. This is stressful,expensive and unfair. The outcome has nothing to do with fairness or commonsense.It is common for such confrontations to last many years and deny peaceful and happy living. Most seriously affected are often the elderly, the retired and the disabled whose home is their safe refuge and their main security in the final years of their life. Homes affected by high hedges and trees may suffer a severe loss in value at a time of life when there is no possibility of recovery.The stress of confrontation in some cases is a debilitating health threat. Resolution is entirely in the hands of the plant owner who may chose to make a complainant suffer by aggressive response. In a recent survey 45% of Scothedge respondents identified the hedgeowner as being abusive. 85% said that the hedgeowner refused to negotiate. The case for legislation has been established at Westminster and Holyrood. Westminster legislated in 2003. Scott Barrie MSP proposed to seek Legislation in 2000. In 2006 there is not even legislation in progress and the victims of this abuse find the apparent political indifference a bitter pill to swallow and which suggest that the Scottish Parliament places little priority in legislation against this awful inconsideration by a minority of indecent hedge and tree owners. The fact that victims have died in such dispute should amply warn our legislators that LEGISLATION IS NOW URGENT. POLICY RESOLVES27/07/06It is now reasonable to assume that the purpose of the Planning Etc(Scotland)Bill amendments regarding High Hedge and Tree assault on residential properties is to probe the thinkings of the Scottish Executive during the Communities Committee Meeting which debates the High Hedge/Trees etc amendments. No-one believes that |